Talk:Proof of Power to Judge all of Creation Goku Black (Super Saiyan Rosé)/@comment-40124033-20200217232807/@comment-36436797-20200218070936

at 55% he had 112% extra defense and only managed to hit an 85k defense stat (Pre super) which is pathetic i'd have to say rose is top 7 at the very least. So at the very very least hes better than ssj4 goku and agl gohan putting him at minimum at number 6 which is bare minimum although generally he is doing more damage than spirit saiyan goku his ki game unless ramped is not and his defense definitely is not. Goten and gohan put out more damage on a dice roll and while they get 5 ki in 2/3 turns they only have 1 ki from their links putting them down a peg. And finally the big three right now arent even a conversation, K&C litteraly take no damage and against a good majority of the game put out amazing damage with hella consistensy while also having far better Ki (Rose doesnt have limitations I will admit). The Vegito and Gogeta argument isnt even there so dont make it, Rose is at bare minimum number 6 but is no higher than number 4 realisticly.