Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-36780658-20181205161030/@comment-35317610-20181214004642

Areeb.hasan wrote: WhiteXShadow wrote: NegativeSymptom wrote: You do realize Goku's entire character is supposed to be serious when hes fighting and immature when it comes to everyday things right?

I don't see how Super did that wrong. Every time he fights in super he's serious, and when they're just hanging around he's immature, clueless, etc. Just like how his actual character should be.

Saying "he's different from Z that means its automatically bad characterization" is kinda dumb :/ A lot of characters are different from when they were in Z. Vegeta acts completely differently in super, and people praise that, yet when Goku acts different, people complain. Makes no sense. He's supposed to be serious when fighting, but he's not obsessed with fighting as you think he is. What happened with the Majin Vegeta incident? Goku literally did not want to fight because logically nothing good would come out of it. Even if before Goku was all about fighting, that moment showed that Goku had developed enough to understand that having a good fight at that time wasn't a priority; rather, making the logical decision and trying to stop Buu was a priority.

Vegeta acts completely different in Super and I'm not saying it's good. In fact, it's nearly on par with Goku's level of stupidity since in Super he reverts practically to his androids-saga persona with "surpassing Kakarot" 24/7 even though by the end of the Buu arc with the final fight he actually warmed up to Goku. Now having Vegeta keep his drive to surpass Goku isn't the issue; it's that in Super it's back to being completely one-sided like how it was before the Buu arc.

Vegeta also got SOME form of character development, however small, compared to Goku's downgrade.

It also doesn't help the fact that a good portion of the enemies that Goku and Vegeta fight in Super just seem to be lacking any real personality.

Beerus & Whis... while Beerus shows a little bit of someone different in the Zamasu arc when he erased present zamasu... that's about it. Considering how pivotal he is, being the GoD for U7, the story really could've benefitted from him actually having some personality rather than the "i love food & im ridiculously OP so no one can stop me" gag we have. Whis isn't any better since he doesn't development since he is literally never in a situation where he is in danger / has to do anything that would make him uncomfortable. I get it, they're gods, having them in a sense, be literally perfect and untouchable is not an interesting characteristic at all. Zeno and the Grand Priest, while not direct villains, suffer the same fate as this, just probably 10x worse.

Zamasu was the only sort of real actual "villain". Hit and Jiren were only fighting because of the tournaments.

Zamasu had potential. he really did. I don't have the time to get into him, but I consider him a failed character too. Nah not Zamasu. He was the only character (besides Frieza) who was done properly. His motivation and backstory was a bit hindered, but personality wise, and character appeal. he is perfect His motivation and backstory is/are his main issue(s). I love Goku Black with a passion, but his whole motivation is childish and his backstory is too short, which makes it feel really sloppy. While yes, Zamasu is supposed to have a superiority complex, that's his main and only characteristic aside from being completely pathetic, whiny, and just childish. It's possible for villains to have these characteristics, but for the type of serious, plot-driven arc that the Zamasu arc tried to portray compared to the other two original DBS arcs, it just doesn't work. Hell, I prefer Buu's screeching than Zamasu's constant babbling about inferior mortals; we don't need to be reminded on every episode that he has a burning hatred for them. While Frieza originally didn't have as much of a burning hatred for Saiyans, he did view them as underneath him (and still does), but we didn't need to be reminded of it with every other sentence.

Luckily Goku Black drops the anti-mortal monologues every two minutes. I just wish that they explained Rose a bit more as a transformation (did he change the color himself so that he wouldn't be similar to Goku?; is it a result of his soul being in Goku's body?).

In general the whole Zamasu arc just fails to explain a lot of things though, such as where Super Saiyan Rage came from, how Goku (without Kaioken) single handedly was able to stop Fusion Zamasu's death ball by piercing it when Vegeta (who was stronger than Goku since he was able to deal with Goku Black) and Trunks (who also was able to handle Goku Black, though not as well as Vegeta) barely were able to push it back together, an actual reason for Corrupted Fusion Zamasu, and Spirit Bomb Sword Trunks that was somehow able to defeat Fusion Zamasu(???). Not to mention the ending with Zeno is probably the worst ending of a dragon ball arc.