Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20180225211948/@comment-30160878-20180305171631

''i disagree on the vegeta final/penultimate/not so final explosion.... the whole fight between vegeta and toppo seemed to be about 1 throwing away their beliefs thinking they could win and the other knowing that doesnt work as he's been through that before when he threw away his pride for power (majin vegeta).... and then vegetas demise was very much about his pride (and his promise to cabba)yes he said heres an attack you cant destroy, but again, Toppo had already thrown away his beliefs in justice.... Vegeta retained his pride throughout.... '' This is all fine and dandy, but there is one problem, and it's in the first line: "...the whole fight between vegeta and toppo SEEMED..." Well. That's just it. It seems this to you, it seems something else to someone else. It doesn't mean that it was the intention. I wish you were right though. I genuinely do. (But it still wouldn't make up for the fact that he was standing there, and not being dead.)

''different energies... prime example.... android 17 and 18... they are human/cyborg yet you can't sense there energy.... super saiyan god is god energy, spirit bomb uses life energy.... i admit it does seem silly that vegeta couldnt transform yet his energy was enough for goku to transform, but then again, goku fighting caulifla and kale to regain his stamina also seems a bit farfetched too.... its like running a marathon and being tired at the finish line so continue running until you get more stamina.... i suppose it could be like a stitch when running, you keep running until the stitch goes..... '' Yeah, I'm not sure... ki is ki in dragon ball. If what you say is correct, 17 and 18 wouldn't have been able to contribute to Goku's spirit bomb, as that energy is not compatible with the "standard" type. And your point about "...goku fighting caulifla and kale to regain his stamina also seems a bit farfetched" - that just proves another point why I am so disappointed in Super.

''i get your point about trunks (the hair colour was more of a retcon for what it should have been i believe) but he may have grown into a bad ass in the android saga and gone back and wipe the floor with future androids/cell, but he was now dealing with gods.... you know, the people who wrecked goku and vegeta the first time they fought black so it makes sense that trunks wasnt enough '' Not really talking about power level either. It's his posture, how he talks, how he mopes around, etc... By the end of the Cell Saga he was getting close to Vegeta's character in terms of these things, but more kind and level-headed. He was just so clueless and mopey through the whole Black arc.