Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20180225211948/@comment-32233739-20180305155332

i had to say evil goku instead of goku lookalike because Bardock and a lot of other low class saiyans are supposed to look like goku - totally forgot about Ginyu TBH, but still that was only an episode or 2 and super has been a lot of throwbacks to Z/the films

fair point about paragraphs..... also fair to finish what you started (although im habitually opening paths and not filling them in)

Old kai not knowing Potara defused if you werent a god... thats logical, he is a kai, only kais have used potara before... he fused with potara and never defused so it was logical for him to think it was permanent.... yes i remember goku saying it may be because of Buu but it was only a maybe

i disagree on the vegeta final/penultimate/not so final explosion.... the whole fight between vegeta and toppo seemed to be about 1 throwing away their beliefs thinking they could win and the other knowing that doesnt work as he's been through that before when he threw away his pride for power (majin vegeta).... and then vegetas demise was very much about his pride (and his promise to cabba)

yes he said heres an attack you cant destroy, but again, Toppo had already thrown away his beliefs in justice.... Vegeta retained his pride throughout....

different energies... prime example.... android 17 and 18... they are human/cyborg yet you can't sense there energy.... super saiyan god is god energy, spirit bomb uses life energy.... i admit it does seem silly that vegeta couldnt transform yet his energy was enough for goku to transform, but then again, goku fighting caulifla and kale to regain his stamina also seems a bit farfetched too.... its like running a marathon and being tired at the finish line so continue running until you get more stamina.... i suppose it could be like a stitch when running, you keep running until the stitch goes.....

i get your point about trunks (the hair colour was more of a retcon for what it should have been i believe) but he may have grown into a bad ass in the android saga and gone back and wipe the floor with future androids/cell, but he was now dealing with gods.... you know, the people who wrecked goku and vegeta the first time they fought black so it makes sense that trunks wasnt enough

that emotion you speak of is still there, but on a universal level... the problem is, everyone expects goku to win now as they always win.... never has there been an arc where the villain wins..... and with the stakes being as high as they are in super (universal destruction) they can't have the team lose and then come back to fight a round 2 because they would be erased... there has been plenty of emotion throughout super.... maybe not as on the nose as in Z but its still there