Talk:The Tier List/@comment-30703057-20170614194333

I have no doubts that this card belongs in the S Tier of Extreme PHY. However, the buff that global gave him concerns me.

The Jap Goku Black is strong and lowers attack, yes, but he does not have much else going for him, and with a flat boost from his passive, his usefulness is deteriorating. He may have to be placed in A tier.

Should we separate the two? Reply with your thoughts.