Talk:Tier List: Full Power/@comment-33436465-20180630094612/@comment-33272261-20180630222938

''I'm not defending any particular units here, but the core of this argument is what I've been saying about the tier list for ages now. I brought it up back when the tier lists were redone, which is why we even have the clause about "general usefulness".''

''Basically there are people that are trying to design the perfect team and people who want to know which units are useful at a glance so they can make their own version of the best team. My understanding is that the larger group is the latter, even though I myself am the former. Designing the best team is fun but realistically most players can't run it. ''

You know, I'm pretty content with just ending the argument there. You summed it up very nicely.

''In this particular case, it's important to ask if SSKK will still be S if the team doesn't have LR SS3 Goku. Inversely it's important to see if GF can run on the team without requiring a bunch of other units to support/link with him. In my option the only unit you can assume people will use is the leader, although if a category/team has multiple leaders you can't even make that assumption.''

Without LRs, this would be the optimal team:

FP SSJ4 Goku - SSBE Vegeta

FP SSJ4 Goku - AGL SSJ3 Goku

TEQ SSJ2 Gohan - (Will be added after I do calculations) - (Will be added after I do calculations)