Talk:Limitless Energy Androids 17 & 18/@comment-32427086-20170821161430/@comment-31063493-20170920221412

With your idea you'd have to kick out either SSJ3 Gotenks or Gogeta from a rotation (to make space for LR Goku and Bardock) which would decrease overall damage by a lot.

Also Tien isn't as bad as you think:

SSJ3 Gotenks without Tien and 11 ki:

11357 (Enhanced base attack) x 3.4 (leads) = 38613.8 38613.8 x 1.25 (links) = 48265.3 48265.3 x 1.4 (ki) = 67574.2 67574.2 x 2.2 (passive) = 148663.1 148663.1 x 6.35 (Immense SA10 + Massively raises ATK + 30% Dupe sys boost) = 944010

SSJ4 Gotenks with Tien and 12 ki:

11357 x 3.4 = 38613.8 38613.8 x 1.4 (Tien) = 54059.3 54059.3 x 1.25 = 67574.2 67574.2 x 1.4 = 94603.8 94603.8 x 2.2 = 208128.4 208128.4 x 3.85 (Extreme SA10 + 30% Dupe sys boost) = 801294

Not a huge loss considering he adds 170k to Angelku, 400k he adds to the other rotation and does 300k himself.

This is all considering all your units only have free dupe system buffs. The best thing about Tien is if you pull a dupe of one of your hard hitters like Gogeta, Tien's value will only increase. Wheras Bardock's decreases.