Talk:The Tier List/@comment-35724435-20180605144330/@comment-35724435-20180611150240

I concede w/ your point regarding MV and 17. I think I've become biased towards the former since I'm so used to using a team that doesn't need the tanking that 17 provides. For most players, I'll agree that 17 is a more practical unit to use over both MV and Turles until your team have enough dupes invested in them. Let's leave SBR aside from this conversation since this is about the units on a Rainbow Extreme team, which currently cannot compete in any SBR. Still, you've point out enough of 17's usefulness over MV and Turles for the general player, so I won't argue against his placement on the Tier List.

Ah, you meant TEQ Gotenks. For a moment there I thought you were being unfair by comparing PHY Gotenks on SSj3 against SSj3 Broly on Rainbow Extreme.

@HorusDB, I do have both SSj3 Broly and STR Rosé, but my phone is currently unable to take screenshots, so can't provide evidence in support of SSj3 Broly. I'd be glad if someone else do, since I feel that the misunderstanding of how his passive works have make him seems much more of a glass cannon than he actually is. This is the best information I can provide right now(sorry for the long text) :A DEF buff passive at the start on turn activates in the same phase w/ his DEF debuff(the order in which mechanics activates are as follow: LS-Percentage start of turn/per orb passives-Flat start of turn/per orb passives-Percentage Links-Flat Links-Ki multiplier-On Attack/Build-Up Passives-SA multiplier). This doesn't reduces the amount of DEF he loses when collect orbs, he still loses 10% of his original DEF, he just starts at 150% of his original DEF instead( on Rainbow Extreme for example), meaning he has to collect 15 orbs instead of 10 to get to zero DEF.

However, this is still the only team that I can see him being S Tier on, and only on the dual STR Rosé version, since he needs a unit(s) that have a massive DEF buff support passive(high LS buff won't cut it since he'll just loses more DEF per orbs) babysits him to not take 60k DMG per hit.