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BladeofHonour wrote: Hrenak wrote: Bianca SS goku wrote: What so special about this goku(plz dont fight) Loooooong reply Some great points here, but a couple of errors too;

Firstly, you said he's mastered ultra instinct - he hasn't 'mastered' anything, he manifested it once practically by accident, he even told Vegeta he has no idea what it was.

Supreme Kai is no-one to gague anyones power, guy is a scrub who though Dabura was the most powerful guy he'd ever seen until Buu was released. Things can only get so far above your own level of comprehension before you lose the ability to properly evaluate them. Jiren obviously is on a whole other level, but a statement from Supreme Kai is no real evidence.

Merged Zamasu wasn't going 'toe to toe' with Vegito Blue, Vegito was barely trying and in the few scenes where he seemed like he was Zamasu was getting bodied, and then Vegito unfused.

Everything else is pretty spot on, just a couple of these justifications seemed a bit odd to me.

In that state he had complete mastery over It as was shown In the anime, the manga might bring some more light Into It, but the movements shown were angel level like In the scenes with Whis when they trained on Beerus's planet, but on another level.

The Supreme Kai was able to remember just how powerful buu was, he has an understanding of how power works, just not as much as the other guys, but Isn't someone to take lightly. He was there when they were fighting Merged Zamasu, It's clear that he wouldn't say that the power wasn't like anything he's felt before, If Jiren wasn't at least stronger, or on par with that, and I believe stronger Is what he meant.

Merged Zamasu was pretty much going toe-to-toe with Vegito Blue, he had some rough spots but showed enough power to keep up with him. If we're talking about the manga, then yeah, Zamasu was getting bodied really badly.

And which justifications?