Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33510766-20180116093557

Hi Everyone,

For long, I have debated with myself over which of the two saiyans is truely the best on Dokkan Battle. At first I thought it had to be Goku because most of his cards seem to have a higher % boost when it comes to his passive, and 12 Ki multiplier and also more often than not, has a higher base atk stat.

In this discussion, I will do my best to end this debate with proper calculations and this is also dedicated to you guys out there who think Goku and Vegeta are truely equals and want justice in dokkan battle. I will  compare  the  stats  of the  current Vegeta and Goku cards to determine if Vegeta cards are actually weaker than Goku cards.

I will put the following cards agaisnt one another

Round 1 : Mini God-Leads from the Majin Buu Saga

Trustworthy Rival Vegeta  vs The Hope of the UniverseGoku 

Round 2: Super Saiyan Blue Nukers

Proud Heir Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta  vs Unstoppable Ascension Super Saiyan God SS Goku 

Round 3: Super Saiyan Blue Nuke Leaders

Ascending to Godhood Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta vs Cyan Juggernaut Super Saiyan God SS Goku 

 Round 4: Passive:  ATK +100% when performing a Super Attack

New Realms of Saiyan Power Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta vs The Paramount Saiyan Super Saiyan God SS Goku 

<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 5: Demi-god Leads

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passion of the Warrior Race Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta  vs Next-Level Strike Super Saiyan God SS Goku <p style="font-weight:400;">

<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 6: Super Saiyan 4

<p style="font-weight:400;">Unparalleled Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta vs Ultimate Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4 Goku <p style="font-weight:400;"> <p style="font-weight:400;"> For all calculations, we will use the following scenario:

<p style="font-weight:400;">> All cards are fully rainbowed card and place in their most optimal  mono super  teams (excluding all LRs).

<p style="font-weight:400;">> All characters will pick up 4 orbs and 7 orbs with an optimal orb-changer in the team.

<p style="font-weight:400;">> All cards will have lv 15 on the super atk damage boost from the potential system.

<p style="font-weight:400;">> All cards have maxed SA level 10.

<p style="font-weight:400;">> All optimal teams have their own atk+ 40% support units.

<p style="font-weight:400;">All calculations will be made using the damage calculator by <p style="font-weight:400;">

<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 1:

<p style="font-weight:400;">Trustworthy Rival Vegeta

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat: 13711

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive: 20% /int sphere

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Fierce Battle (+15%) and Saiyan warrior race (+700)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 135

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage and raises ATK for 3 turns (+50%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage with 4 orbs: 808828

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage with 7 orbs: 1028124 <p style="font-weight:400;">VS

<p style="font-weight:400;">The Hope of the UniverseGoku

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat: 13205

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive: 20% /str sphere

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills:  Fierce Battle (+15%) and Saiyan warrior race (+700)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 135

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage to enemy, ATK +20% for all allies for 1 turn

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage with 4 orbs: 779159

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<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 2:

<p style="font-weight:400;">Proud Heir Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat: 12894

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  15% /teq sphere

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 135

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage to enemy

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage with 4 orbs: 657515

<p style="font-weight:400;">VS

<p style="font-weight:400;">Unstoppable Ascension Super Saiyan God SS Goku

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat: 12976

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  15% /phy sphere

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%) and Kamehameha (+2500 when super atk)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 140

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage with 4 orbs: 703884

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<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 3:

<p style="font-weight:400;">Ascending to Godhood Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat:  12544

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  Change  Rainbow  Ki Spheres to  PHY  Ki Spheres; ATK & DEF +20%

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Fierce Battle (+15%) and Super Saiyan (+10%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 130

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage to enemy

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 559975

<p style="font-weight:400;">VS

<p style="font-weight:400;">Cyan Juggernaut Super Saiyan God SS Goku

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat: 13323

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK +30%, change  Rainbow  Ki Sphere to  TEQ  Ki Sphere

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills:  Fierce Battle (+15%),  Super Saiyan (+10%) and Kamehameha (+2500 when super atk)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 140

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage to enemy

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 658181

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<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 4:

<p style="font-weight:400;">New Realms of Saiyan Power Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat:  13569

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK +100% when performing a Super Attack

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%)  and Fierce Battle (+15%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 135

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage to enemy

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 1100799

<p style="font-weight:400;">VS

<p style="font-weight:400;">The Paramount Saiyan Super Saiyan God SS Goku

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat:  13544

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK +100% when performing a Super Attack

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%), Warrior Gods (+10%), Resurrection 'F' (+700),  Fierce Battle (+15%) and Super-God Combat (+15%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 140

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes supreme damage to enemy

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 1377266

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<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 5:

<p style="font-weight:400;"> Passion of the Warrior Race Super Saiyan God SS Vegeta

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat: 14351

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK +100%; Extreme Type enemies ATK & DEF -20%

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%)  and Fierce Battle (+15%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 140

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes immense damage and raises ATK for 3 turns

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 1189594

<p style="font-weight:400;">VS

<p style="font-weight:400;">Unstoppable Ascension Super Saiyan God SS Goku

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat:  14300

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK +20000 & DEF +10000 for 10 turns from start of turn

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%), Warrior Gods (+10%) and Fierce Battle (+15%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 150

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes immense damage to enemy while sacrificing 5% HP

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 1034354

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<p style="font-weight:400;">Round 6:

<p style="font-weight:400;">Unparalleled Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat:  15538

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK & DEF +120%, medium chance of evading enemy's Super Attack and counter attacking with tremendous power

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%)  and Fierce Battle (+15%)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 150

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes immense damage to enemy and greatly lowers DEF

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 1493732

<p style="font-weight:400;">VS

<p style="font-weight:400;">Ultimate Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4 Goku

<p style="font-weight:400;">Atk stat:  16856

<p style="font-weight:400;">Passive:  ATK +150%, medium chance of evading enemy's Super Attack and counter attacking with tremendous power

<p style="font-weight:400;">Link skills: Super Saiyan (+10%), Saiyan Roar (+25%), Fierce Battle (+15%) and Kamehameha (+2500)

<p style="font-weight:400;">12-ki multiplier: 150

<p style="font-weight:400;">Super Attack:  Causes immense damage; DEF +30% for 6 turns

<p style="font-weight:400;">Damage: 2190642

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<p style="font-weight:400;">Conclusion

<p style="font-weight:400;">Stats:

<p style="font-weight:400;">Vegeta wins 2 rounds and Goku wins 4 rounds

<p style="font-weight:400;"> Average atk stat for Vegeta is 13768 and Goku is 14034

<p style="font-weight:400;">Average 12-ki multiplier for Vegeta is 137.5% and Goku is 142.5%

<p style="font-weight:400;">Average damage for Vegeta is 1004957 and Goku is 1123911

<p style="font-weight:400;"> Goku wins this battle because he generally has better ki-links (kamehameha), higher base atk stat, better 12-ki multiplier and has better allies in optimal teams. So the myth that Goku has better cards in Dokkan Battle has been confirmed. Goku does have better cards in Dokkan Battle.

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<p style="font-weight:400;"> P.S. All cards in round 2 and 3 were not use together in the same team to calculate their damage because that would be a battle of PHY vs TEQ type <ac_metadata title="Are Vegeta cards weaker than Goku cards in Dokkan Battle?"> </ac_metadata>