Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20180102204330

NegativeSymptom wrote:

KaiserTrigger wrote: Thus, Goku is not shown giving the blows that Jiren is sweating from. I never said he was. Yes, Vegeta is the one delivering the attacks in that shot, but as we saw in the preview, both of them are fighting Jiren. Just because we only see Vegeta attacking in that shot does not mean his attacks alone are the reason Jiren is sweating. Jiren was most likely already sweating because he is fighting both of them at the same time. Jiren had no trouble fighting SSBKK Goku without even sweating, but a weaker stamina troubled Goku is helping to make him sweat? Nah.

UI seriously just seems to only give better reactions, while Goku has a new form to keep his arms from getting broken down from clashing with Jiren. SSB is a power multiplier. UI, or what Goku has, is a reaction enhancer and the first step towards genuine UI. What the angels have.

Goku still can't compete with Jiren in raw power. Vegeta... Might be able to compete with what Jiren was using before he powered up to overcome UI Goku.