Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20171231105809

CakeBuu wrote: They always make Goku's natural ability win over any hard work and training that anyone else has done though, that is Goku san sama chan in a nut shell.

Vegeta punched Beerus in SS From too, doesn't mean he would win the fight (that Goku also lost) Yet that was Goku's theme in Z, and Vegeta's lesson. So it hasn't changed. It's never been natural ability for power growth. It's been his smarts, and training that kept him up. But now he doesn't train the same way. He doesn't build his base form like he used to. Vegeta was the one running on natural talent.

Now Vegeta is the one doing hard work. The rules don't change just like that. Goku stopped training the same way the more and more they developed new Super Saiyan forms.

In Z Goku was not Sasuke to Vegeta's Naruto. It was always Goku's Naruto to Vegeta's Sasuke, but on a more even playing field due to always getting new forms. New forms doesn't imply your base form is stronger. Goku kind of accidentally happened across SS3, IIRC him stating that.