Thread:NegativeSymptom/@comment-26510251-20180106194908/@comment-26510251-20180106220436

NegativeSymptom wrote: Kafla and the Spirit Bomb, it’s quite obvious you didn’t even watch the video, or at least payed attention.

Kafla was directly stated BY WHIS to rival the Spirit Bomb. Then she went SSJ2, which as we know is a x2 multiplier of SSJ1, PLUS Mastered Berserk on top of that. Meaning Kafla is AT LEAST twice as strong as the Spirit Bomb, but since we don’t know the multiplier for Mastered Berserk, we can’t say if she’s more than twice as strong, although she most likely is.

Again, you said Beerus used Ultra Instinct against the Gods of Destruction. Which you cannot say because it was not stated that he was using it, unlike Goku, where he was directly stated to be using Ultra Instinct. Again, if Beerus were using it during that fight, the other GoDs would have done the same and the battle would have gone nowhere. Just because he dodged without looking doesn’t mean it’s UI. We’ve seen people dodge without looking since early Dragon Ball. Does that mean everyone who does have UI? No.

You say UI doesn’t change your appearance, yet Goku has spiked up hair and silver eyes. And we know this is Ultra Instinct because Beerus said “it’s Ultra Instinct” when Goku first transformed. Just because Whis’ appearance doesn’t change or Beerus’ (even though he’s never used it, but let’s say for the sake of argument he “did”) you have no idea if that mean UI GUARANTEED DOES NOT CHANGE APPEARANCE. It could very well change appearance in some but not others. Like SSJ, SSJ looks different depending on who is using it, but it’s still the same thing no matter what. Appearances have nothing to do in this case. UI could change the appearance of Saiyans, but not change the appearance of Namekians, even though it’s the exact same UI for both. Beerus however IS stated to know it. He has not mastered it. Goku has not mastered it. It is not a different case. Beerus was manhandling the gods, then started fucking up. He was using UI. So now the power scalers are full of it? We have NOT seen people of almost equal power level, save for a few differences, take on an entire brawl of him fighting all the other gods. It was him versus everyone at first.

We know he is USING UI.

We also know that Goku is USING UI. There is no statement that you cannot use it without transfomring into it, because there is no UI form. It is a state of mind, fighting on instinct. It does not change appearance, based on stated facts that the angels use it when fighting, to fight the most effectively. UI does not change independently, as the angels use it when fighting, and Whis was shown fighting Goku and Vegeta with it during the early moments of Super, and Beerus has used it. There is no god that can just topple all the other ones, and not use UI, if he winds up getting his a** bloodied up out of nowhere. Unless he somehow messed up his state of mind, and dropped UI from the equation. The battle already was going plenty of placed for Beerus, and only went nowhere once he dropped the UI state of mind due to the trouble. It is shown.

Just as the Wiki states...

In the manga's Zen Exhibition Match, Beerus uses Ultra Instinct against the other Gods of Destruction, enabling him to handle multiple Gods of Destruction simultaneously; however, he is eventually restrained by Mosco due to not having yet perfected the ability.

(If Beerus was not using UI, he would not be able to literally handle multiple gods of Destruction at once. This is a fact. Beerus cannot treat them like he treated Goku in their first fights, or in any fight. He used UI to keep from getting hit, and fighting more effectively. He never used UI against his fight with Champa, but now suddenly he can take many on at once? There is no logic to that unless he chose to use UI to put on the best fighting show for Zeno.)

Whis often uses this ability against Goku and Vegeta during training, and reveals its existence at around the time of Frieza's revenge. During his demonstration, Whis was able to casually observe the blooming flowers while effortlessly dodging Goku and Vegeta's combined assaults.

If you can't accept facts shown and stated by the show itself, then you might as well be just believing whatever dribble Seth, and other power scalers are coming up with to justify their claims in their videos. Think for yourself and think CRITICALLY.

If Goku did better in SSBKK against Kefla, and got her pumped from the numbness of her arm, while UI only got her to laugh at him after knocking her away and calling it wimpy, then that means that UI is not the new transformation but half the equation of it, and Goku still needs to use a transformation that's reliant on his energy reserves to be stable, and not just some temporary reshoot to a more energized state. The first half is a power boosting side. The other is allowing him the first steps into using Ultra Instinct. If it was truly Ultra Instinct, he would never have the stated trouble of moving from defense to attack. It is not just UI, but a transformation allowing him to touch that realm, while providing an evolutionary power boost. Because no one else seen to use it, as stated, transforms first to use it. There is no statement that UI is a transformation. Goku's UI is a part of one transformation. One half of the equation.