Talk:Tier List: Super Saiyans/@comment-34021327-20191008162727/@comment-34021327-20191009020902

Idk that might be the reason but STR Gogeta always fails me... like I get he's not far behind Janemba in being hardest hitting EZA cuz his effective against all types but compared to Janemba Gogeta gets ripped apart like a piece of paper. Battlefield and Legendary Goku especially. I don't have him with dupes but I EXPECTED him to do better defensively (7K DEF isn't too hot).

Besides that Future Gohan fits well on Super Saiyans because there are a LOT of good MSB units you could put on the team (LR Gohan, LR Trunks [speaking of which, why is he still in A Tier when he's got EZA Trunks to boost his meh defense?], Eza Trunks/New SSJ Trunks, PHY Future Gohan, TEQ Trunks, Transforming Vegeta/Goku, EZA Exchange units, etc.) that let him get at least 2 parts of his transformed passive and oftentimes 3 (if you ran a full MSB besides the leaders, then only the floater STR SSJ Goku would not give you his full passive). So even on that team he's still a solid tank, and that's only considering his transformed state. His untransformed state can very easily hold his own in a fight as well.

PHY SSJ Vegeta starts slow and ends not as impressive as the others but he's definitely the best well-rounded unit because he does so many things. He hits consistenly in the 1.5-2mil range without dupes and 1.8-2.5mil+ with one or two if you get enough orbs. Problem is that this team is missing his better linking partners when transformed (Evolution Blue) and doesn't have great orb changers that really benefit him, so his damage is basically confined to the 3mil and less range in SSB. But that's not even noting the other things he does like board-nuking and healing (comes in handy for early stages of LGE or in clutch if you get walled for whatever reason by a boss), and stacking DEF. So I could see why he wouldn't be S Tier on this team but he should be at the tippity-top of A Tier.

I dunno. Just don't like this tier list :/ and I would love to make some small revisions but I definitely wouldn't want to change it drastically, especially if it's what the community agrees on