Talk:Unparalleled Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta/@comment-31550106-20190123035457

Why is he and SSJ4 Goku NOT on S Tier for Super?

Vegeta is a living cement wall and can also deal lots of damage

Goku deals even more damage, and can take a few hits with his 30% DEF increase with his Super

PLUS both can counter

and their link set is amazing, especially with each other and other SSJ4 units

So why aren't they S Tier?