Talk:The Strongest Pair in the Universe Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla & Super Saiyan 2 Kale/@comment-33537296-20190417194622/@comment-37164711-20190418152956

@NegativeSymptom

"Which doesnt make sense since Goku and Vegeta in the ToP got stronger WAY faster than they did. Goku litererally mastered UI in less than 40 minutes, a technique GoDs who've lived for millions of years have yet to master."

Goku and Vegeta are supposed to be this strong, because they are the ones who've been fighting basically every antagonist in the series. But, what about Kale and Caulifla? We just know that they are some kind of burglars and we don't even know if they are low-class or elite saiyans.

"Idk if you even watched the fight, but they almost killed goku like twice and then fused into Kafla and were the ONLY other person to push Goku to UI, and they did so with a singlekick that rivaled the super spirit bomb. Then they proceeded to hold their own against goku in UI sign and launched an omnidirectional lazer that Roshi said would instantly kill goku if any of them hit him. Idk about you but that's definitely not what I'd call an "easy boss"."

First, Goku was not even close to his full power when fighting Kale and Caulifla SS2, he was able to handle them in his "WEAKENED" base form, but eventually he had to transform. and according to the supreme kai, he was surprised that Goku could even transfrom, due to his fight with Jiren. And UI Goku was in danger from that lazer thing because they had used the potara to fuse, which was the only reason they were able to fight UI Goku, which is stupid, since in the manga, BASE FORM GOHAN who trained for a small period of time was able to beat SS2 Kefla with no problem.

Besides, everyone in the TOP is strong due to "ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES." For example, Android 17 in the Majin Buu Saga was definietely weaker than Buu, because if he was stronger than Buu than he should have defeated him when he was on Earth. But, four years later, in the the TOP, he was as stron/stronger than SSB Goku.