Talk:Fighting Spirit to Blow Everything Away Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta/@comment-44695119-20191224123058/@comment-34021327-20191224191135

I... don't think you understand how good these guys are with their abilities, especially Vegeta.

Vegeta hits consistently in the 2.8+ mil plus range AND attacks effective against all types and is virtually impervious to damage with 6 orbs and after supering. It's not hard to get 6 orbs, especially considering that all of his cats have good orb changers up their sleeves, so you're actually going to be seeing this a lot more than you think.

In my opinion, Majeta's abiltiies give him far better versatility than arguably even Cooler; while Majeta's APT is certainly going to lag behind that behemoth, he is way, WAAAY better defensively and still does amazing damage. If anyone said he was a candidate for best TUR (which I think Cooler/KK Goku still is due to the brokenness of their abilities) I would not argue with them. You could literally put him on any team except for Type SBR and he'd pretty much destroy anything. In fact, I think that--the fact that his transformation isn't an active--and his uncommon ki links are his only real flaws. (Because otherwise, he'd be a unit that could function on both Super Class and Extreme Class at the expense of HP benefits (i think) on Extreme teams and his intiial vulnerability, which would very easily make him the best unit and most versatile unit in the game for me)

I haven't even said anything about his Super Attack effect-- I see literally everyone talking about his DEF raise but NOTHING about the fact he has a high chance to stun on Super, which is a god tier ability on SBR, but even more so when this unit is impervious to damage and does extreme amounts of damage back.

Goku hits much harder but is also somewhat less consistent; like you said Vegeta's better for that reason, but he also has his fair share of boons... he's basically the same card but in a worse typing (which is happy to be getting buffs lol), with worse links, not as good DEF, but much higher offensive potential.

TL;DR - Not top tier? What are you smoking? lol all that aside, I also might share your decision in not summoning when they come