Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-36780658-20181205161030/@comment-35317610-20181213135103

NegativeSymptom wrote: You do realize Goku's entire character is supposed to be serious when hes fighting and immature when it comes to everyday things right?

I don't see how Super did that wrong. Every time he fights in super he's serious, and when they're just hanging around he's immature, clueless, etc. Just like how his actual character should be.

Saying "he's different from Z that means its automatically bad characterization" is kinda dumb :/ A lot of characters are different from when they were in Z. Vegeta acts completely differently in super, and people praise that, yet when Goku acts different, people complain. Makes no sense. He's supposed to be serious when fighting, but he's not obsessed with fighting as you think he is. What happened with the Majin Vegeta incident? Goku literally did not want to fight because logically nothing good would come out of it. Even if before Goku was all about fighting, that moment showed that Goku had developed enough to understand that having a good fight at that time wasn't a priority; rather, making the logical decision and trying to stop Buu was a priority.

Vegeta acts completely different in Super and I'm not saying it's good. In fact, it's nearly on par with Goku's level of stupidity since in Super he reverts practically to his androids-saga persona with "surpassing Kakarot" 24/7 even though by the end of the Buu arc with the final fight he actually warmed up to Goku. Now having Vegeta keep his drive to surpass Goku isn't the issue; it's that in Super it's back to being completely one-sided like how it was before the Buu arc.

Vegeta also got SOME form of character development, however small, compared to Goku's downgrade.

It also doesn't help the fact that a good portion of the enemies that Goku and Vegeta fight in Super just seem to be lacking any real personality.

Beerus & Whis... while Beerus shows a little bit of someone different in the Zamasu arc when he erased present zamasu... that's about it. Considering how pivotal he is, being the GoD for U7, the story really could've benefitted from him actually having some personality rather than the "i love food & im ridiculously OP so no one can stop me" gag we have. Whis isn't any better since he doesn't development since he is literally never in a situation where he is in danger / has to do anything that would make him uncomfortable. I get it, they're gods, having them in a sense, be literally perfect and untouchable is not an interesting characteristic at all. Zeno and the Grand Priest, while not direct villains, suffer the same fate as this, just probably 10x worse.

Zamasu was the only sort of real actual "villain". Hit and Jiren were only fighting because of the tournaments.

Zamasu had potential. he really did. I don't have the time to get into him, but I consider him a failed character too.