Talk:The Tier List/@comment-35724435-20180605144330/@comment-35724435-20180609184934

I disagree w/ you regarding MZ. If his LS is the only arguement he's placed so high, then all VBs should be at the top of the Super List. At it stands, he's subpar compared to other S-Tier, having the lowest output( aside from a non-powered up Super 17 & Turles) along w/ the lowest DEF stat out of the S-Tier TURs w/ no defensive viability beyon BBB and Rosé's passive(fortunately he doesn't loses any of his already lacking DEF like the Brolys). His LS while would've been better for the team than AGL Rosé's if he can support the team in anyway other than raw damage( which he also lags behind). To me, he should've been bottom S-Tier, w/ Broly being the only one that he edges out against since he has a much better linkset. And yes, I placed Kid Buu above him, since his only drawback(Ki) is covered by the leader(and other Extreme supports) and he hits much harder, can tank a bit better, and also heals.

From personal experience, I can tell you that Super 17 is significantly behind MV as far as output is concerned. I have 1 dupe in mine and he can barely reach 1 mil at full power. Not to say that's unimpressive or smth, but Janemba(who you mentioned), Omega, Cooler, Angel Frieza, Kid Buu, SSj3 Broly can all get there w/o dupes, and some of them are arguably better tanks than him. Meanwhile my unduped MV can reach around 1.4~1.6 mil depending on Ki multiplier. And no, MV does not have below average defensive capability, mine has around 59k DEF w/ Rosé's on rotation, which is about twice the DEF of most non tanking units on 120% teams, simply by virtue of having LR-stats. As such, I don't really think Super 17 can compete w/ MV for 'Best Extreme-AGL', but him, Turles and OG Rosé are runner ups.