Talk:Welcome to Hell Perfect Cell/@comment-27359939-20190821124208/@comment-29376732-20190831015724

I updated the tier list now but I actually wanna hear why you think Super 17 is outdated, is it the description (if so I already updated it)? If it's just stats I agree but that doesn't lower him to A tier his damage is still just as high as many TURs in S tier and without a 40% support (on Artificial lifeforms with Kid Buu he can get 2mil attack stat), the argument of he is a slow starter is not even appliable anymore since every event has attacks so often you will get his full boost first or second turn. Only problem with him is not having BBB which now it's becoming a prevalent link in the Androids team and I mentioned how it's starting to hurt him, otherwise I don't see how he is outdated when he is still running fine (definetly aged better than other Extreme 120% leads besides maybe PHY Coora and some Super 120% leads).