Talk:Last-Ditch Battle Android 17/@comment-38046317-20190108074622/@comment-29665775-20190202082742

In fact, I'll say that GoZer is better than Either Gogeta and Vegeto because of their impratical transform mechanic. 6 Turns and 50% or less HP? Seems to me it would be harder and harder to have these active conditions, no matter what : More Power when time goes on? Shorter events because of brute damages. More Defense? It would be harder to go under 50%

And in Sheer utility, there's no need to wait 6 turns to GoZer to have versatility : Atk and Def Lowering with his Ultra (in a "Universe survival Saga" with 17, there's virtually no way GoZer wouldn't go Ultra). Nothing stellar but still better than nothing.

Difference here? You wait 6 turns for a potential Heal from Vegeto or Gogeta and in the same 6 turns, GoZer had the potential to give 3 massive hits, Wiping out his ennemies.

In Dokkan Battle, 6 turns is pretty long, even more if you have this kind of destroyer in your team.

So, I don't know if GoZer is objectively stronger than Vegeto or Gogeta LR but I'll say this : 17+GoZer > ANY duo Vegeto or Gogeta could do. For me, this duo is even better than the Classic Rose STR+ Zamablack LR