Talk:Blackened Heart Android 17/@comment-31555655-20170915124105/@comment-3566017-20170922195922

Yeah, I mean Vegeta won't tank so well against super 17 without a co leader dupe but it helps. And yeah, bringing Baba and Pilaf are essental to stage 3. Espacially if you have SV on rotation and you know his counter doesn't work against SAs. So they help baiting into cards like Super 17 to get countered repeatedly as a downside to all their AAs. This method is what helped me get all the medal to awaken SSj4 Vegeta too.