Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-30736697-20170508230558/@comment-28063230-20170515205455

NegativeSymptom wrote:

Android 17 has been training since he got revived I'm pretty sure he said that to Goku.

And I'm pretty sure I already covered that with comments like...

"Everyone can get stronger, it doesn't explain the ridiculous boost Lapis got."

NegativeSymptom wrote:

While I understand your point that 17 should not be able to match Blue, again, Goku was holding back, even while using his Kamehameha.

I covered that as well with...

"that kind of techniques elevate in a significant manner the user's power level, so, while Goku was not fighting seriously, he was still using a fair amount, which is beyond dumb from TOEI's writing."

Lapis shouldn't be able to trade fist with any % of SSB.

NegativeSymptom wrote:

And 17 doesn't need a transformation boost

I only mentioned that to show how Goku got many things over Lapis.

NegativeSymptom wrote:

as we don't know if the growth of androids through training is any different than the growth of humans or Saiyans, for all we know, if an android trains he/she could get five times as strong in just a weeks worth of training, we don't know.

First, he's not an unknown alien race, nor a god, he's a human cyborg.

There's a reason why many, still to this day, find extremely ridiculous those were stronger than Frieza since the beginning.

Second, an ACTUAL writer is needed, "he's been training" is the cheapest way of making characters acquire a relevant power level.

Now we got a Roshi who's been training in secret, yeah, right, whatever.

If they wanted to make Lapis that powerful, they needed a BIG SPECIFIC explanation, or simply not creating a "godly" form for Goku if they weren't ready for the consequences of such a decision.

This storytelling issues is what happens when TOEI don't really care what they're doing.