Talk:Absolute Strength Jiren/@comment-28747781-20180514151617/@comment-29665775-20180604093542

Kayrus :

To be fair, Jiren is better than Gogeta for the mere fact that Jiren doesn't have a flat bonus, unlike Gogeta.

Atk+7000 and Super effective against all ennemies does not weight that much today, against a 120% bonus.

So yeah, Gogeta hit harder but not that much, unlike the defense difference between them, clearly favouring Jiren. And While Gogeta only Hit hard, Jiren hit decently enough and can offer other options : Stun, Tank, Lowering ennemy's defense...

And when Jiren'll have his Dokkan, Gogeta's only asset will disappear.

PS : All my calculations were made for a free dupe Jiren.