Thread:Namekiankai/@comment-25605814-20161220181121

let's discuss this. BAMCO shaft vegeta? Toriyama hate vegeta? really? "Vegeta card is not good as goku's"?

Let's make it clear that I like vegeta, as a VILLIAN.

Toriyama mentioned that vegeta is mean to die at the end of saiyan saga, But he created frieza and let vegeta live.

In DB saga:

kid vegeta is absolutely stronger than goku(he kicked saibaman's ass in TV), there is no problem.

In saiyan saga,

He killed teammate twice, It's ok because he is villian, that make him looks strong, cruel and cool, but you do not want he as your friend or roommate.

He is stronger than goku considering the monkey form. I wish BAMCO will make scouter vegeta as his LR, just like Frieza. and in fact, strike vegeta and monkey vegeta are good cards.

In frieza saga, He steal kill and genocide namekian, this is fine since he is still half villian, that make he seems clever. You won't want to make a DOTA team with he though.

"I am the super saiyan you feared"->"oh s**t, i cannot even strike back"->" *sob*  please kick his ass for me, goku *sob*"

And goku kicked frieza's ass, no contest.

In cell saga.

He let cell become perfect and make gohan lost his arm.

Killed A19 for ease, well, we all know goku is having a heart attack.

He didn't do the "natural super saiyan" thing and considered weaker than goku and gohan.

Even his own son cannot endure his action.

Buu saga:

killed innocent people to let goku fight him, make buu revive. Although this is not all his fault, he let buu become pure evil and destruct the earth.

majin vs SSJ2 goku seems fair. Well we all know goku did not go to SSJ3.

GT:

NO ONE IS NEARLY AS GOOD AS MISTER GOKU in this anime.

Super:

Although they both have blue, goku still has kaioken and spirit bomb.

Movie:

"OH MY F**KING GOD BROLY". He didn;t even show up in second movie.

So yeah, vegeta card is not as awesome as goku's, and It makes sense as long as that vegeta is SUPER, not EXTREME.

list of "who really needs some love":

slug

garlic jr.(real first immortal)

Mr. vilo(brain in the machine)

mist majin(the one got killed by SSJ3 goku)

for animation:

tien

goten 