Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20180106192827

NegativeSymptom wrote: “You do not transform into a state of mind”

You are exactly right, because UI is a transformation. You keep saying UI “Omen” is a state of mind, and you say that there is no evidence that it is a transformation when

1) never anywhere is it stated that UI Omen is a state of mind, so you cannot use the argument “there is no proof of this being the case” when it was never stated to be what you are claiming either.

2) UI Omen is, in fact, a transformation. And there is proof. Promotional material showed UI Omen Goku alongside text that, when translated talks about it being “a new transformation”. So we have proof that UI Omen is a transformation, but no proof that UI Omen is a state of mind like you claim it is.

Since that is cleared up, we know for a fact that transformations in Dragonball always mean a power boost, it’s always been that way. So the 80 times SSB would make sense since UI Omen is a transformation past SSB. A Dokkan Battle card name is not a signifyer of a transformation. It is many times just a name. It's a sign of Ultra Instinct. It isn't confirmed to be a transformation. Because WHIS has used it to fight both Goku and Vegeta at the same time, and he doesn't transform. In the manga, Beerus used it to fight all the other gods of destruction, and there is no change.

1: Never anywhere is it stated that Ultra Instinct is a transformation. Omen is just a word to show a sign of things to come. You're not speaking from fact here. Whis has stated it to be a state of mind where body parts fight independently of each other. Undeniable fact.

2: It is NOT a transformation. It is one thing that Goku aquired as an aspect to a transformation. UI does NOT cause a change in appearance.

Since that part is cleared up, there is no numbers, and you have zero facts running here. Seth is not a reliable source, he's a Dragon Ball Youtuber making videos about things he has no confirmations on. He runs on the smallest possible piece of evidence, and pretends like it's the biggest.