Talk:Peerless Gleam Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta/@comment-31063493-20170726155448/@comment-31063493-20170807231539

But SSJ3 Goku GT can actually be used with Goku and can't be used with Gogeta.

Umm nope, SSJ4 Gogeta with SSJ3 Goku GT gets 1107519 (which is less than 1252484).

Gogeta's counters are also very inconsistent, Also Goku can counter too.

Admittedly, the new leads do boost him quite a bit

SSJ4 Goku

16856 x 3.4 = 57310

57310 x 2.83 = 162188

162188 x 1.5 = 243282

243282 x 1.5 = 364923

364923 x 5.8 = 2116559

A counter:

364923 x 3 = 1094769

Assuming he counters every 6 turns(0.5 x 0.33):

2116559 x 0.833 = 1763799

(2116559 + 1094769) x 0.166 = 535221

535221 + 1763799 = 2299020

SSJ4 Gogeta

17540 x 4 = 70160

70160 x 2.2 (note how Fusions has 1 good support and she isn't on the main rotation whereas both of Super STR's are on main rotation) = 154352

154352 x 1.25 = 192940

192940 x 1.5 = 289410

289410 x 6.3 = 1828283

A counter:

289410 x 3 = 868230

Assuming he counters every 4 turns(0.5 x 0.5):

1828283 x 0.75 = 1371212

(1828283 + 868230) x 0.25 = 674128

1371212 + 674128 = 2045340

I never said S17's average was higher than Gogeta's I specifically said a 17 with Trenchcoat 17 next to him. Although with Gogeta's new lead he probably surpassed some of the dudes I've mentioned.

For arguably the most hyped card in the entire game, he sucks.