Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20180106191323

NegativeSymptom wrote: He is a power scaler, he’s been doing power scaling forever, he knows about these kinds of things. So you cannot say he doesn’t know power scaling.

You say you want citation of characters saying he’s stronger, did you even watch the video, or even the episode for that matter? He very clearly points out and shows a screenshot of Dyspo saying that Goku’s attacks are improving and then Toppo saying “Son Goku is getting stronger” there you go right there. Toppo literally said he’s stronger. Plus Kafla was stated to be at Goku’s previous level of UI. So if that were true, then there would be no way Goku would be able to dodge everything she does if he wasn’t stronger than last time. It’s completely illogical.

I guess you can believe what you want, that UI is somehow not a power increase even though it’s incredibly obvious just by watching the episode. Doing something doesn't mean you're good at it.

When did being more precise suddenly mean your actual power level increased? You become faster perhaps, but only if your power level increases. But your reactions don't become more precise. Otherwise, why are Goku and Vegeta not already UI level with the whole Zenkai thing?

Goku is getting stronger. Doesn't mean stronger from raw power compared to before. He's becoming better by learning to master UI. Kefla was stated by people who can't even sense god Ki. So that's moot. It's completely illogical to assume your raw force and energy are increased just because you can see and react better. If I were to react better, that doesn't mean I can punch you harder than last time. It applies here as well.

It is obvious the episode points to no such power multiplier on UI alone. THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE, THE NEW FORM, THAT YOU ARE CHOOSING TO IGNORE.

It is obvious he has a new transformation and it is not a transformation into UI. You do not transform into a state of mind like you do SS. You gain a new form that offers a boost in power, and breaking limits in how you attain that form allowed him to use the senses he got from that new form to aquire ultra instinct. It is not him running on UI alone. UI does not multiply power, until it is proven to be the only thing he has. Otherwise, it is most likely his new form he has that offers to raw power boost needed to not be blown to bits by even so much as trying to collide punches with Kefla and Jiren.