Talk:The Tier List/@comment-31063493-20170905231002

Powercreeeeep:

TEQ SSJ Bardock S -> A:

With the inroduction of SSJ4 Gogeta LR Goku got a lot less useful, Gogeta could do more damage than him without needing a dedicated support while also being better defensively. Bardock has no uses other than supporting LR Goku meaning Goku's downfall is also his own.

A case could be made about moving LR Goku down to but with the recent campaign a lot of people have him fully duped and at SA20 which means they'll probably find him more useful.

TUR Rosemasu S -> A:

This isn't an instance of powercreep, more of me questioning why he's there in the first place.

STR SSJ2 Bardock S -> A:

A lot less useful with the introduction of Cabba, he never had any great links or high damage output his suppport passive was the only good thing about him and Cabba's is better in every way, also SSJ3 Goku GT.

LR Frieza S -> A:

He is just too meh.. he was good when Extreme STR was lacking a good 6th unit but now Hit is just better. Boosting Broly, Cell and Janemba damage is just much better than an LR which can rarely even hit 18 ki on his own team. Hit is also much better defensively making Janemba a God of tanking.

Coolieza A -> B could also be argued but I think Coolieza is decent at the bottom of A

Pan S -> A:

SSJ2 G o han...

PHY SSJ2 Goku A -> B:

Too damn many Super PHY supprts. For someone who doesn't offer anything other than support he doesn't deserve A in a team full of supprt.

SSJ2 Bardock A -> B:

Tries to be SSJ Gotenks and a support at the same time. Fails pretty badly.

Buutenks S -> A:

Not powercreep just needs to be mentioned, imo he just misses out on S. Extreme PHY already has some of the best hard hitters (Coora, Omega and FP Frieza) which all hit a league above him. Sure he gives FP Frieza 3 ki but Super Buu and LR ginyu also give him 3 ki while increasing his damage output. The nail in the coffin is his lack of BBB.