Talk:Two Makes the Strongest of All Universes Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla & Super Saiyan 2 Kale/@comment-33272261-20191128005129/@comment-39458634-20191214085612

Well to be fair, while the number are clearly in favor of Goku and Freeza, you should remember a detail : Kale and Caulifla are REALLY unlikely to stay at those numbers, at least in tanking. First, because after a certain amount of turns, she'll have S. Attack at least guaranteed with her first hit (which stack infinitely her defense, like her U.S.Attack) and while every ennemi in Dokkan events isn't a "Pure Saiyan" or an "Univers survival saga", the first category is definitively too large to ignore. And if there is a pure saiyan, another S.Attack, for another Defense stack.

Let's suppose we do the Goku Rush with Kale and Caulifla (works with every events with a "Pure Saiyan" or an "Universe survival saga" between the ennemies) with a Hit leader (bad idea BTW but for the sake of calculation^^)

11763*4.4*1.66 = 85,843 (BTW, how did you found your values? I'm really curious) 85,843 *1.6 = 137,350

Only with two S.Attacks. While Goku Freezer will have (under his own leader skill)

10777*4,54*1,77 = 86,601 (yet again different from your result, I don't really understand....)

Without acting a single time, Goku Freezer got a small advantage in defense but with only one S.attack, Kale and Caulifla are juste better defensively (Not counting the dodge bonus)

Just for fun, let's do the maths for 1 apparition in each phase of Goku Rush, before the Int phase. And let's say that she never proc the bonus attack from the tree and didn't goes to spe Every turn before she had the maximum of ki Bonus (stupid but for the sake of argument)

85 843 * (1.3 (Normal Goku)+0.3 (SSJ Goku) +0.3 (SSJ2 Goku) +0.3 (SSJ3 Goku) +0.3 (SSJ God Goku) +0.3 (SSJ Blue Goku) +0.3 (Since you're guaranteed to go s.attack from that point)+0.3 (Goku UI) +0.3 (S.attack from +6 Ki) +0.3 (Migatte is both pure saiyan and universe survival saga so two guaranteed S.Attack from passive) = 85 843 * 4 = 343 372

Some values Goku and Freezer could never have, no matter what (except if one days, the supports would became stuppidly good). And even if it's the case, Caulifla and Kale would benefit more from them than Goku Freezer.

Since Caulifla and Kale are weird from their way of playing, I won't risk to embarass myself with atk calculation but they're no sloutch since multiple S.attack every turns. And played defensively (they're defensives), no-one can harm them.