Talk:The Strongest Pair in the Universe Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla & Super Saiyan 2 Kale/@comment-38376412-20191116222843

It is stated that Universe 6 saiyans evolved differently, but come on even if they were going with tingling back theory, at least make them train for a while. It is totally incomprehensible that only Goku and Vegeta, two ultimate rivals, with years of battle experience train shedding their blood, sweat incredibly hard to earn a new power whereas anyone can power up anytime they want. Ever since the android/cell saga in DBZ it has become so impactful that majority of the time Goku and Vegeta just have to be defeated by the antagonist of every major new arc. To add insult to injury DBS nerfed so many impactful transformations. ex: Gotenks has become a joke, and Vegito is basically useless despite him have a longer fusion timer than Gogeta because the stronger he gets, the shorter he remains fused.

The major reason dragon ball has been so popular is due to the character transformations and power ups, fights, techniques. The logic behind power scaling and the consequent impact on the story is just absurd. Logic was out of the picture a long, long time ago..