Talk:Unrivaled Saiyan's Peak Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta/@comment-39996213-20190701135157/@comment-36503390-20190703232836

Thing is, Vegeta may start with DEF in his passive, but Goku massively raises it on both Supers, whereas Vegeta only does so on his 18 ki. I also have to disagree that Goku's Family is the worse team for one simple reason - the LR Gobros.

I'm glad we could at least agree on something, that Vegeta's banner is better.