Talk:Grim Reaper of Death's Rampage Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks/@comment-35085468-20190313012108/@comment-35057464-20190313144904

Because it's really hard to get an 11 ki super on fusion: Too much ki.

But, Supreme level 15 is higher than Immense level 10, But Phy gotenks' 12 ki is higher than supreme level 15 due to it's attack boost,  so it's really a matter of testing to see which one would actually hit harder, this guy has higher attack when rainbowed, (Base stat) But PHy gotenks has more of a buff.