Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20171231170003

CakeBuu wrote: I can't be wrong, everything I said was true.

I didn't realise expressing my opinion was invitation to arguement, let's not have you turn it into one.

Plus, there are no facts in fictional. You need to make a new word that isn't fact that describes a "fictional fact" ( a complete contradiction ) But... What if what you said was false? There's facts. There's facts such as the actual history of events, and those show the actual truth. Like Goku never beating anyone on raw power alone without using a new form, or a technique like Kaioken or Spirit Bomb, save for minor villains like Recoome, Burter, and Jeice.

Raditz: He died fighting him. Goku didn't kill him and survive. Piccolo did.

Vegeta: LOST HALFWAY IN AND HAD TO BE SAVED BY KRILLIN OF ALL PEOPLE.

Captain Ginyu: Similar to Vegeta, but at least he frogged him. But getting the last hit doesn't make you stronger. Vegeta with his Zenkai became stronger in base than Goku.

Frieza: Couldn't win without a power up like Super Saiyan. Trasformation. Even then, he didn't kill him, and Trunks was the one who effortlessly sliced him up.

Android 19: Lost.

Cell: Couldn't even beat with his new form. Gohan had to go SS2 beyond Full Power SS.

Majin Vegeta: Needed to show he has SS2, and wasn't doing as well as you'd think if Veget was weaker in base. Vegeta had the edge there, such as trapping him in rings and Goku having to rip the boulders out to get lose, as if he couldn't do it without struggling, as if it would be too hard to do so without removing an unstable land mass that would have moved even if Krillin pulled at it.

Fat Buu: Stalemate and new SS3 form.

Buuhan: Was fighting alongside Vegeta, and both were equally garbage individually.

Kid Buu: SS3, still couldn't win one on one. Had to use Spirit Bomb.

Beerus: Lost even with SSG. Beerus wasn't even using 100% at all, and lied. He lied that he ever used 100%, as stated.

Golden Frieza: Had to use a new form, SSB.

Hit: Gave up as he couldn't keep up the Kaioken, as stated, because it would take too long before he could finish off Hit and not almost die from it.

Goku Black: Got wrecked like Vegeta.

Fused Zamasu: Wrecked even in SSB, until he haxed and used Kaioken, which didn't even work well, because he got up, and powered up more into his light of justice mode which actually started the major deformations you saw by the end, unless you count the manga where he shows full mastered SSB and tangles pretty well but had to use Hakai.

Goku never wins in base form, and his SSB seems to be weaker than Vegeta's if Vegeta can even make Jiren sweat. Goku couldn't even make Jiren sweat in SSB. He had to use Kaioken. Vegeta's base is better, which in turn makes his SSB stronger. Thus, it would be a repeat of the first fight he had with him, where he could survive on guts alone, take a lot of damage, but be able to get back up compared to Goku who's Kaioken x10 would pulverize his muscles and bones. Vegeta also in the manga easily masters SSB like Goku, and Beerus gave him a compliment that he'd make for a good candidate as a god of destruction in another universe. Goku doesn't get that compliment in the anime IIRC, though even if so, it was only from Whis before Vegeta went to train with him, and before there was all this other stuff.

Goku was just the closest at the time to hopefully being the next one. Unless you think it's a fact that Monaka is the strongest next to Beerus in universe 7.