Talk:The Tier List/@comment-29948962-20170727200103/@comment-31063493-20170731050209

Gogeta and SSJ4 Goku outdamage him even when he is first. Bardock and SSJ3 Goku GT contribute more damage when they are first. When he isn't first he gets outdamaged by everyone in S Tier, Super Trunks, SSJ3 Goku, Android 18, SSJ Gotenks and Beerus on average. Being in first is a crippling restriction and even when he is in first he still gets outdamaged by Gogeta and SSJ4 Goku is just not S Tier worthy.