Thread:NegativeSymptom/@comment-26510251-20180106194908/@comment-26510251-20180106212654

NegativeSymptom wrote: Pretty sure he is using Ultra Instinct because Beerus said "Its Ultra Instinct" when Goku first achieved the form.

"Whis shows no change in appearance" we wouldn't know if he did or didn't because we never saw Whis before he had UI, he could have looked different. "Nor does Beerus" thats because Beerus was never shown to be using it or stated to even have it. That manga fight was just a brawl, if Beerus really was using UI, then all of the other GoDs would have done the same, and the fight would'nt have gone anywhere. Just because Beerus dodged someone without looking does't mean he was using UI. Gohan was dodging Lavender without the use of sight or ki sense, Beerus is able to sense Godly Ki, so he would have been able to sense the attack, Gohan dodged without sight or ki sense, I guess that means Gohan has more UI than Beerus :/

Lastly, you honestly have no right to say whether on not what Seth does what he does right because last time I checked you aren't a power scaler or analyst. So how would you know what he does and the way he does it is incorrect? You don't. This isn't me defending him because I'm a diehard fan that thinks he's always right, this is me saying you aren't a power scaler and you don't analyze and breakdown things as a profession like he does so you cannot say that he doesn't know what he's talking about just because it differs from what you think is correct. Yet Whis said he doesn't know what that heat is. THUS IT IS NOT UI ALONE. So Beerus statement isn't a factor other than "HIS NEW FORM CAN USE IT".

All angels are masters of UI. He was stated to be using UI. He did flawlessly at first, but couldn't keep it up in the manga so he started getting injured. He is not good enough to treat other gods of destruction like he treats Goku. Beerus did not state that Goku got stronger. Lavender does not have god Ki. So you're using false moot points that bear no factor in sensing god ki as no participent was a user of god ki in that exhibition in the anime save for Goku.

Lastly, you have no right to claim there is some kind of profession. Fans of a show do not get to suddenly determine their skill in something with zero quantifiers for being good. There is no academic standard for power scaling. He is incorrect, as he had zero amounts of facts. No facts you claimed were there, were there. They were not. He does not know what he is talking about. You don't get to take a spirit bomb being pushed by Goku, or it's unstated power, and use it to determine things like UI's power. That is bullcrap.

Either get actual stated facts, or you're not in the right to claim you know what the facts are. It is NOT a stated fact as to what power UI has over anything. It is so far stated to be a state of mind. It is NOT new. It is stated by Whis during his training with Goku and Vegeta. It is what he was teaching. Ultra Instinct being used does not equate to suddenly him using UI is a power multiplier.

You don't get to pretend like his physical change doesn't signify a new transformation. UI is not a transformation. There is no separate UI called omen. That is the term used to describe the incomplete Goku who has NOT mastered UI, which was aquired due to a new form. There is no mention of UI in any promotional material up to his first usage of it. So there is no mention of "ultra instinct omen". Otherwise the so called pro's would have been on that already, and no one would be surprised by the fact it was UI.

You don't need to be a power scaler to refute a skill that has no academic standard. Academics do not include power scaling for anime. So you don't need to be one to call out crap in something that has zero relevant facts.

Kefla is twice as strong as the Spirit Bomb? Where's the stated power of the Spirit Bomb to say? What if she's 7 times stronger? What if she's not even as strong and only strong enough? What makes anyone think that you can use ANY of that factless dribble to calculate an accurate or even close to accurate power level of a transformation with no stated values to it, let alone putting it above an equally vague transformation?

OFC, if UI was a transformation, which it isn't. You don't get to look different using something other people use all the time, and then say that it's a transformation, when it isn't. If Beerus used UI to fight the gods, which he did, considering he had to just one up them, and then suddenly start losing about as badly to them, and yet he doens't change form, then what Goku  does is a BRAND NEW TRANSFORMATION THAT IS NOT UI ALONE, BUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT EMPOWERS HIM AND MULTIPLIES HIS POWER, ADDING UI ON TOP OF THAT TO MAKE HIM A BETTER FIGHTER.

You can have all the raw power in the universe but it won't matter if you suck at even hitting your opponent. And it doesn't require power multipliers to raw power to become a more reactive fighter who fights purely on instinct, which is what UI is. Ultra INSTINCT.

Thus, it is as Whis said, fighting, but letting your body parts fight with minds of their own, relying on a shared honed instinct for battle.

This is a FACT. Ultra Instinct is not something new, nor has it ever been refered to as a power multiplier in series, nor have we any valid numbers for any legit math.