Talk:The Ultimate Fighting Squadron Captain Ginyu (Ginyu Force)/@comment-31808551-20170929184016/@comment-2079965-20171003012138

You are missing the big picture here, people don't just throw in a type of any type into a team, he is PHY so when you make the optimal teams, for example: PHY EXTREME, you would have PHY Cooler and that team would consist of:

Phy Cooler, FP Frieza, PHY Omega Shenron, Syn Shenron and Goku Black. The last slot would be best suited to one of the Buu's or This beast.

The reason he is good is that he matches with the Frieza clan, provides Ki and Attack stat, you wont be using him to attack much but because he is... ykno... an LR, he has a great attack utility ontop of that buff. The newest BUU is now more optimal to be sure but Ginyu Force is still Z tier.

Simply saying "there are better support cards" is not the argument, there arent as much better support extreme cards for PHY. The optimal way to play this game is to use the 120 leads / category leads, so a cards usefulness is dependant on how well they fit.