Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20171231103640

CakeBuu wrote: Previous episodes mean nothing for predicting future episodes, we all know that.

Plus it only shows Jiren is suprised by the attack, probably more suprised that he actually had to pay attention and block, I don't think it will do any real damage, but Jiren will say something like "impressive" then slap Vegeta off the stage. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need to be weaker than Goku for Jiren to do that. Hell, Goku's only edge is UI. He lacks in raw power compared to Jiren as well. I mean, if Vegeta can get the same shot off that UI Goku got the first time, then Goku needs to start lifting more and strengthening his base.

Jiren could probably wipe the floor with both blind folded. And this was more to point out that Vegeta wouldn't simply lose to Goku because of Kaioken. It's all about either being stronger than him in Kaioken, like Jiren, which Vegeta didn't have before when he first fought Goku, or to be able to last till Goku is about to explode. Goku would never be able to beat Vegeta with a simpel Kaioken times two, in a weakened state from failing to finish Vegeta off in Kaioken times 10.

Vegeta shows plenty of signs that his base is stronger from all the time chamber training he did. Twice. Once to get good enough to mop up Goku Black, till he cheated and summoned dopplegangers to help, which failed to stab Vegeta like the first time, and twice for the TOP.