Talk:Last-Ditch Battle Android 17/@comment-36063963-20180730184451/@comment-30015140-20180801190633

@TheCyclopz ''"But there's no way the 17 can be the MVP when most of things he does only matter if his teamates finish the job he started". ''If you've watched any sport you should be familiar with MVP commonly going to a playmakers who set up situations where their teammates can score. If you're only looking at who gets the finishing blow, then you're measuring by a different standard than most people you're talking to here, I would wager. That's probably where your disagreement comes from. And yes, if Gohan had elliminated 17 and Toppo, 17 wouldn't have been a contender for MVP. But that's not the point there. It's whether or not it was the right call to sacrifice 17 to take out Toppo from their point of view at that time. (They couldn't have known that 17's self destruct would end up saving Goku & Vegeta and all of Universe 7 later, etc). Even without knowing that Toppo had God of Destruction powers, sacrificing one of their relatively weaker fighters in order to take out one of the strongest Pride Troupers seemed like as obvious of a call as when Gohan did the same to take out Dyspo. 17 also told Gohan to change strategy against Toppo, because he was trying to coordinate attacks with someone he's never fought alongside before. Essentiually, people seem to think 17 was MVP because the number of times he made the right strategic decisions, without hesitating, discover and exposed enemy weaknesses in crucial moments, and saved the day in clutch situations, and all with his own use of his own power without getting miracle upgrades, combined surpassed the amounts other characters on his team did the same. As for liking or disliking 17, that's a separate subject. Personally I like his voice and calm demeanour, but I wouldn't say I'm a big fan. I prefer 18 over him for example.