Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-28362353-20180106194348

KaiserTrigger wrote: Doing something doesn't mean you're good at it. It does when you’ve been doing it for years. Doing something for years means you get good at that thing. Like drawing, if you draw for years you get better at it, to the point where you are a good drawer.

KaiserTrigger wrote: When did being more precise suddenly mean your actual power level increased? You become faster perhaps, but only if your power level increases. But your reactions don't become more precise. Otherwise, why are Goku and Vegeta not already UI level with the whole Zenkai thing? Simple, because they didn’t achieve the transformation and Zenkai boosts only increase their overall power, they don’t unlock transformations.

KaiserTrigger wrote: Goku is getting stronger. Doesn't mean stronger from raw power compared to before. He's becoming better by learning to master UI. Kefla was stated by people who can't even sense god Ki. So that's moot. It's completely illogical to assume your raw force and energy are increased just because you can see and react better. If I were to react better, that doesn't mean I can punch you harder than last time. It applies here as well. I’m pretty sure when someone says “he’s getting stronger” means power. If Toppo was just talking about his reaction time and sharpness, he would have said, “His attacks are getting sharper and more precise”. But there was no need because that’s what Dyspo said. So not only was it stated that he’s getting sharper by Dyspo but also getting stronger by Toppo. Meaning UI is a power increase as well.

KaiserTrigger wrote: It is obvious the episode points to no such power multiplier on UI alone. THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE, THE NEW FORM, THAT YOU ARE CHOOSING TO IGNORE. I’m not ignoring it, in fact, all I’m talking about is the new form, that being UI Omen.

KaiserTrigger wrote: It is obvious he has a new transformation and it is not a transformation into UI. You do not transform into a state of mind like you do SS. You gain a new form that offers a boost in power, and breaking limits in how you attain that form allowed him to use the senses he got from that new form to aquire ultra instinct. It is not him running on UI alone. UI does not multiply power, until it is proven to be the only thing he has. Otherwise, it is most likely his new form he has that offers to raw power boost needed to not be blown to bits by even so much as trying to collide punches with Kefla and Jiren. Again, UI Omen was stated to be a transformation by promotional material. So you cannot say the new form isn’t UI, because it is.

KaiserTrigger wrote: A Dokkan Battle card name is not a signifyer of a transformation. It is many times just a name. It's a sign of Ultra Instinct. It isn't confirmed to be a transformation. Because WHIS has used it to fight both Goku and Vegeta at the same time, and he doesn't transform. In the manga, Beerus used it to fight all the other gods of destruction, and there is no change. 1) I wasn’t talking about the Dokkan battle card, the promotional material I was talking about was actual promotional material for the tournament of power.

2) It was never stated that Beerus was using UI. If that were true, then all the other GoDs would have done the same and the fight wouldn’t have gone anywhere.

KaiserTrigger wrote: 1: Never anywhere is it stated that Ultra Instinct is a transformation. Omen is just a word to show a sign of things to come. You're not speaking from fact here. Whis has stated it to be a state of mind where body parts fight independently of each other. Undeniable fact. Again, there is promotional material for the tournament of power that shows UI Omen Goku and has text next to it saying that it’s a new transformation.

KaiserTrigger wrote: 2: It is NOT a transformation. It is one thing that Goku aquired as an aspect to a transformation. UI does NOT cause a change in appearance. Really? That’s strange, I seem to recall Goku’s hair standing up and his eyes turning silver when he’s in UI but I guess I must be seeing things. :/