Talk:Dark Menace Goku Black/@comment-26208209-20170314195900/@comment-26208209-20170316053515

In my opinion no, 30% isn't enough. Arguing that, "Oh, you can make him decent if you get him to max Super Attack, feed a bunch of dupes into him, and spend weeks of grinding orbs into buffing him beyond how good his maximum 'as-released' stats were" isn't a sound argument.

As he was released, he was whooly underwhelming, and the only reason he can stand up to any real use nowadays is precisely because of the dupe system at all. If we never got the dupe ststem then he'd actually be pretty poor; he's completely RNG based, which means that all of his potential damage is just that - potential. (On a tangent; countering damage is meaningless if you can't survive the hits initially - this is why Super Vegito is still a better unit than vegito Blue.)

Rose Goku Black is vastly more consistent, and doesn't rely on chance to perform at his peak. The fact that you need to devote a special setup to optimize Vegito Blue stands in direct contrast to Rose Goku Black, whom instead optimizes the team that he's on because of his +3 Ki passive. Why would anyone bother trying to summon for and spend weeks, if not months, optimizing Vegito Blue when they know the SSJ4s are in the future? They make him, even duped out, look like ass.

Finally, the fact that the Global version of Dokkan Battle means that they don't have the hype and momentum of Dragon Ball Super influencing its customers - these units were released on Japan just after they showed up in the show, meaning Bandai could capitolize on its fanbase's hype to earn a quick buck. They can't do that on Global because the hype dies out a long time ago, and they know it.

That's why they buffed base Black so much; it's an incentive to try and get players who know what's coming to try and summon for him anyways. It's not only logical to assume that they'll do the same eith other units, but at this point it's expected of them. I wouldn't even be surprised if they start releasing Global-exclusive content at some point or another just to keep it different from the Japanese version and to keep players interested in it.