Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20180106174631

NegativeSymptom wrote: First of all, it was stated during Goku and Kafla’s fight that Goku was much stronger than last time, and that’s Kafla was around UI Goku’s level when he fought Jiren.

Second, I wasn’t pretending physical changes don’t exist. “SSBKK numbed Kaflas arm, but UI’s attacks aren’t working.”

1. It’s pretty clear that both of the forms weren’t affecting Kafla much. One of the spoilers way back even said that SSB was ultimately ineffective against her.

2. You seem to forget Kafla’s personality. She’s incredibly cocky, even though she said his attacks were wimpy, she was most likely hurt more than she was letting on.

And third, the person who calculated UI’s multiplier used only facts, statements, and feats from SSB, SSBKK and the Spirit Bomb. It may not be 100% accurate, but it’s the best we have. And again it’s very clear that UI has a multiplier. Again, I ask for citation on who said that. Who said it. It cannot be anyone other than god Ki sensing people, as Goku doesn't just use normal Ki anymore to fight. And his attacks in UI were still inneffective. That makes no sense if he's actually stronger than before. He did WORSE in UI than he did in SSB since he couldn't even graze her without a full power Kamehameha and catching her off guard with that slide thing. I'm pretty sure that getting your arm numbed from a punch is a bigger effect than say throwing wind at someone, with it catching them off guard, and not even really hurting them.

Saying someone is cocky would mean they would NOT admit that their arm is numb. The point of being cocky is to pretend nothing happened. Not lie. This isn't Gotenks we're talking here, who tries to pretend he's living a manga super hero life where the villain has to have moments of comeback. Being cocky is saying he's wimpy. But not finding out that he's tough enough to actually numb her arm. Spoilers do not always match up with what was clearly proven in the actual episode. The spoilers can be red herrings.

And again, there are not statements on numbers. The spirit bomb does not have a number to it save for the amount of people giving energy. No one has power level readings as a fact. And SSBKK would need a base power level of Goku that's stated, and a number to the SSB multiplier to measure the SSBKK numbers.

There is no accuracy to something running on pure speculation, when there are no numbers to anything. There have never been numbers since the Frieza saga, and some dumb number Frieza stated in ROF.

Again, there is no clear indictator of a UI multiplier, and only clear indicators of a new form being the source of his jump in raw power. UI does not change physical appearances as shown by Whis who is always using it to fight two Vegeta and Goku without even trying. Goku does not even use normal UI, but only in how he gains it.