Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20180225211948/@comment-32233739-20180305130817

Sharkfur wrote: Nothing has weight anymore. Sure, animation plays a big role in this. In old DBZ (heck, even in DB, especially towards the end), you felt the force of attacks, punches, blasts, here it's just... meh. Or if you want to dive deeper under the surface of it - for example Vegeta sacrificing himself, blowing himself up for the sake of his loved ones - completely ridiculed. Oh, you blew yourself up? no matter, you can SURVIVE SACRIFICING YOUR LIFE NOW. Then he goes on, saying he is out of energy, GOES BLUE(!), then remembered he is actually out of energy, can't even go ssj, he is that empty - THEN HE GIVES HIS ENERGY HE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE TO GOKU - ENOUGH TO MAKE HIM GO BLUE. Can we not do things like this? Should I go on? Should I talk about examples of how super doesn't even follow his own rules? "guys, guys, this is a forty-something minute tornament, so every episode you see is literally is a few minutes in reality." Sure. ok. Go on then. THANKS FOR LETTING ME REST GOHAN, NOW I AM REJUVINATED - Yeah you rested for roughly 10 seconds! well done. The unimaginative nature of the transformations just make it worse! LOOK BOYS AND GIRLS! VEGETA IS BLUE! BUT WHAT IS THIS! HE BECAME EVEN BLUER! SUPERSAIYANVERYBLUE! People keep flipping me off for this, saying how the transititon from ssj to ssj2 or ssj3 kept the colour too, etc. Sure, but it had a pattern, you had a dark, black haired humanoid, who due to tha massive amount of energy went to an energetic,light colour (which was a result of toriyama being too lazy to colour in goku's hair all black anyway). But they didn't go down the deviantart(!) route and just recolour hair to the every colour of the rainbow, for kami's sake! Black - goes light, pigmentation goes nuts. Even in reality, it's a pretty straightforward thing to bleach one's hair. But when it goes RED, BLUE, PINK, etc, that's a bit too much. Honestly, kids used to take Goku or Vegeta, recolour their hair in one click with a paint bucket - TA DA, MY OWN CARACTER. And that is what we're doing. Horribly unimaginative. (Same goes for Freeza painted gold. Who also caught up with SUPERSAIYAN GODS with TRAINING a little bit. And TRAINING MEANS TORTURING YOUR LACKY FOR A WHILE. yeah.. that is trainging worthy of reaching such power) When we were introduced to Db, we ment this monkey boy with amazing strenght, setting off on an adventure with this cool girl he bumped into, he survived being shot at, etc. When we first saw DBZ we got to knew Gohan, our hero's son, were introduced to a much much stronger foe FROM SPACE, we learned Goku has a brother, we learned he is from space, and we also saw how Goku teamed up with his nemesis. When we were introduced to super we saw.... Goku on a tractor. Goofing off. Ok, sure. Then moving forward taking away every character development from characters, goku acting out of character, vegeta acting out of character, list goes on. Trunks and Goten looking like 8 year-old even though they are in their teens, cause never mind logics. The time-travel, and all the cause-effects in the future Trunks' saga made zero sense, the official explanation is way too forced, negates itself, makes no sense. The Future Trunks we said goodbye to in Z was a man who saw a lot of ugly things in his life...The Future Trunks we got to see again in super was less of a man than he was agains Freeza and Cold. Heck, Bulma probably let herself be killed by Black in shame, haha. And Goku Black - oh my gosh. You literally had to have another Goku lookalike. It was a tired trope to begin with. They wanted to please fans who wanted to see female saiyans, and people who love Broly. TURNED A GIRL INTO BROLY FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE. Failed on both those points then. moving on. Universe 6 saiyans look like 10 year-olds from yugioh. But fear not, they can go supersaiyan if they imagine a tingle in the back. OK. The list could go on and on, but the best metaphor is Vegeta against Toppo probably, nothing angered me more in this, I think. Vegeta decided that he can punch through Hakai, cause Pride. Ok. I'll play along, sure. So Toppo is useless against him, he literally played pinball with him, kicking him from one rock to another. I guess, we're done here then - OH WAIT. VEGETA DECIDED TO BLOW HIMSELF UP. WHY??? WE JUST ESTABLISHED HE HAS THE UPPER HAND HERE. but ok, he blows up - suepr has the guts to play the whole sequence from Z, something far superior to it, a poor move from a series, just to highliht how silly it is compared to it - and then...and then. He's standing there. Great. Excellent. CLAP CLAP. Not to mention the fact how they took the emotional importance of the Potara fusion, too. It is basically nothing more than fusion dance 2.0 now. There was the tension and drama that you need you give yourself up 100%, you will stop existing for something greater to be born. It is a massive moral dilemma - NAH, DON'T WORRY, IT WILL END IN NO TIME AT ALL, LOL. Great. All of it. All of it is just terrible, and it only has taken away from the lore to me, and barely added anything in return.

And don't you tell me it is not lame how they had the guts to put buu to sleep CONVENIENTLY before both tournaments. just, don't. BEcause they are so untalented, they wouldn't know what to do withc such a character with such potential to do amazing things on the battlefield.

Z was never a masterpiece or high literature - but it never handled characters this poorly. could you not have learnt about paragraphs before you got to the last 5 lines?

also, why do you even watch super if you hate it that much?

i disagree with so much of what you said... some of it has its merits, just about, but you're taking it to extreme measures

I think the ToP arc has tried to make canon various elements of different movies.... janembas warp punching (Aniraza), LSSJ (Kale) turles/evil goku which hadnt been done in the series before (black),

they said in Z that potara was permanent, then they defused when they went inside Buu.... they just gave just more of an explanation as to why potara defuses.. which does seem a bit logical (its a tool of the gods, the fusion is permanent for gods)

future trunks being a different person? i disagree - he ran from the future in the android saga... he did the same thing in the black saga, going back in time for help

you seem to be looking to deep into the story for something thats not there..... go back and watch Z/DB and i think you will see things a bit differently.... put that down to being older...

and vegeta using final explosion - yes he may have had the upper hand.... but that wasnt why he was using the move... he was using the move as his most powerful move to show Toppo that you dont need to throw away your beliefs to win.... vegeta was proud of his strength and abilities and proved that throughout the tournament.... he just wouldnt give up.... he didnt have the energy to go super saiyan but he gave goku life energy which is a different type of energy... he knew was going out of the tournament and that there was a lovely sensu bean waiting for him so he could give Goku as much energy as he could to help his univere win

TLDR: Dont watch if you dont enjoy