Talk:Rose Stained Super Saiyan Goku Black (Super Saiyan Rosé)/@comment-34662573-20180211151233/@comment-32558264-20180214015752

Rose should be better even with just one dupe, Black can hit hard but only if he gets many orbs - on a regular basis he hits for around 500k in a 120% team, which isn't exactly terrible but it also isn't too good. Black is useful for two other things - he lowers enemy ATK with his super (which is FAR better than lowering DEF) and he provides ki for all extreme cards with his passive. He also links well with Rose and Merged Zamasu.