Talk:Tier List: Transformation Boost/Revamp/@comment-34438092-20200124092354/@comment-34438092-20200126100910

Thank you very much for going over what I had to say (just cool to know that you all take the time to read the feedback).

And to everything you wrote - I definitely see where you are coming from. I do like Str Buu (would you have guessed) but I don't want to make him sound any better than he is. Top B or low A would suit him quite well.

I'm not sure what the directives are - but would you maybe consider doing pre-transformation and post-transformation points like the Super AGI rework has? That would be to the benefit of pretty much every character here as transformations do change many of them dramatically. For example, though Buu's transformation requirements are long (not hard to activate, just needs time) post-transformation he is an entirely different beast.

About the question of 'who would this guy replace in the A tier' that honestly made me think long and hard. I'd say that if any it would be Str Final Form Frieza reasons are:

Final Form Frieza: This guy is a one-trick pony. He does an insane amount of damage, however, the conditions to activate mayhem mode are dangerous at best and insanely irresponsible at worst. My reasoning for this is because he needs to be damaged in order to trigger the second part of his passive. That has several problems: The opponent doesn't always get the first turn first hit (that is noted on the account already). If this happens, he's basically just another Buu (80% def/atk) with worse stats (I'd say nicer links though). If the opponent does hit him first great, you get the insane damage activated, but, his defense is so weak that he will take a lot of damage (regardless of the opponent's type) chances are that you'll lose in 1 hit, or if there are attacks coming in after Frieza attacks (say he isn't able to defeat his target), you've got to pray to survive again.

Why do I think Buu is better - base form he too cannot take a hit (though he has a tiny bit better stats - more so if you have dupes), but he can transform. Even if the transformation takes a while - it is still a part of his kit and all 3 of his transformations will make him far superior to Frieza. Buuhan makes him a very good linker (SS is vital here as you know), a nice healer, and a simple damage/tank (120% is good). Buutenks doesn't link as well (OiaF vs SS) however sealing sometimes helps, he does heal a bit, and his atk/def passive are both 100% or higher. Buucolo is the hardest to get, but an excellent supporter, great healer, and again has a strong atk/def passive. Links are 'ok' but his support makes up for it. (I always end up with Buuhan).

Thanks for listening, was interesting for me to really think about it.