Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20180225211948/@comment-30160878-20180305153648

@Liammclovein ''could you not have learnt about paragraphs before you got to the last 5 lines? '' That is fair. :) I didn't think I would blabla for that long and then I couldn't be bothered to go back and edit it.

''also, why do you even watch super if you hate it that much? '' As I am a big fan of the franchise itself, I was naturally curious to see what they come up with. At this point, I want to finish it, as we are so close to the end, it woulnd't make sense to get out so close. I like finishing what I started.

''i disagree with so much of what you said... some of it has its merits, just about, but you're taking it to extreme measures '' Thank Kami for that. It would be bad if we all felt the same way.

''I think the ToP arc has tried to make canon various elements of different movies.... janembas warp punching (Aniraza), LSSJ (Kale) turles/evil goku which hadnt been done in the series before (black), '' Uhm.. Sure? Although I never made a point of hating warp punching, or the LSSJ's existence itself... and I literally said Goku lookaline, not evil Goku... And I meant the franchise as a whole, let's be realistic, which db fan has no clue about Bardock or Turles? (I guess Ginyu in Goku's body would probably count, even by your points, haha - evil Goku)

''they said in Z that potara was permanent, then they defused when they went inside Buu.... they just gave just more of an explanation as to why potara defuses.. which does seem a bit logical (its a tool of the gods, the fusion is permanent for gods)'' Look. Whatever is in the background, this just makes this type of fusion the same as any other, and that cannot be a good thing. The fact that you have to give yourself up for the greater good, to give birth to another being has a lot of emotional and moral questions raised. But no. not anymore. I seem to remember it was said that they probably defused back in Z due to Buu's magical nature (I think it was Goku). Sure, Goku doesn't know anything about it. But Old Kai I am pretty sure does. And he never ever mentioned anything about non-gods seperating. In Z I mean. Pretty sure he would've known. Whatever the case is, it was something that was fixed, althogh nobody asked for it to be fixed. It was a bad call to rope Vegito in. They could've had Gogeta in that scenario, and they didn't even have to change anything about the Potara.

''future trunks being a different person? i disagree - he ran from the future in the android saga... he did the same thing in the black saga, going back in time for help '' It's not about the time travelling itself. He came to the main timeline first as a teen, he has goen through years of training, seen some eye-opening battles and lived to tell about it. When he went back, he went back as a rugged warrior, a tough MAN, who annihilated the androids and Cell of his own time. He was just reverted into this strange youngster in this arc. Nothing close to the hardcore guy who went back in Z. And the fact that his hair became blue for no reason just shows how little the whole crew paid attention to their own franchise.

''you seem to be looking to deep into the story for something thats not there..... go back and watch Z/DB and i think you will see things a bit differently.... put that down to being older... '' I have, genuinely. And a shonen anime/manga doesn't need complicated stories, anyway. The stories were never complex, easy to follow, but what made it special was the emotional aspects of the fights - loved ones' being killed, losing yourself into a fusion forever, rage, revenge, free-willingly becoming a majin, then overcoming it with pride, end it all with nothing but selflessness, etc. It was always there. In super I see no such thing. Funnily, if anything, super had the most convoluted, overly complex storyline of them all - Future Trunks'. Just saying.

''and vegeta using final explosion - yes he may have had the upper hand.... but that wasnt why he was using the move... he was using the move as his most powerful move to show Toppo that you dont need to throw away your beliefs to win.... vegeta was proud of his strength and abilities and proved that throughout the tournament.... he just wouldnt give up.... he didnt have the energy to go super saiyan but he gave goku life energy which is a different type of energy... he knew was going out of the tournament and that there was a lovely sensu bean waiting for him so he could give Goku as much energy as he could to help his univere win '' No. He CLEARLY had the upper hand. There was absolutely no reason to do the final explosion (or do we call it the penultimate explosion? or not-really-final explosion?). The thing is, what you are saying about it was not said, ever, not by Vegeta, or by anyone. The only thing he said was that he'll give Toppo an attack his Hakai won't be able to destroy. And that's it. Your THEORY is that he did it to show that he can be that powerful without throwing everything away. Funnily, he wouldn't jeopardize the survival of his universe, family, loved ones AND his promise to Cabba just to "show how powerful he is", simple because of his...say it with me.... pride. So it is pretty much a theory you have. But it's ok, everyone can have those. Regarding the energy: oh boy. Even better. So.. Let me think about this. I didn't know we have different types of energies in dragon ball. Ok, assume I am there with you on that one, we have different types of energy. Even from that aspect, it doesn't make sense, AT ALL: So.. he didn't have energy that he'd use to TRANSFORM. ok. But he gave Goku a different type of energy who then used it to.... say it with me... TRANSFORM. I have no further questions :)

TLDR: Dont watch if you dont enjoy  Good advice, but it will feel good to tick it off the list. It's like having all paths open, SA maxed out. :)