Talk:The Invincible Myth of Universe 11 Jiren/@comment-32854725-20180315183416/@comment-28362353-20180315184634

Jiren has the same boost as Vegeta. Jiren also has the same chance to stun as Vegeta does to counter, and Vegeta only counters supers, so it’s up to random chance to even a chance to counter.

Jiren is arguably a better Vegeta just as an SSR.