Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-27996636-20171206104646/@comment-26510251-20171226233316

PolishW wrote: I predict the same thing that always happens with Vegeta, "Vegeta's mad so now he's more powerful all of a sudden, no new forms needed". It's happened with a lot of SS forms, especially Vegeta's.

SSB power-scaling is tricky, but I personally don't see how Vegeta will be able to do that much to Jiren without a lame rage power up. SSB supposedly loses power the more times it's used, so it should technically be weaker now than it was at the beginning of the tournament. "Completed" SSB isn't in the anime at all, nor is that initial explosive "burst" when they go SSB (which is why in the manga, Vegeta kept switching to SSB right when he was going to attack).

The fact that Super has been nothing but battles with practically no focus on training is really coming back to haunt it; it's made some already bad power-scaling even worse. Did you miss the part where Vegeta was training in the time chamber, twice? Especially when he was able to blow it up by powering up. His SSB can easily be on a better level than Goku's do to having a higher base power. Goku is only ever on top now because of Kaioken. Not in power level without augmentations. That's pretty much a fact. And using the form for short busts was never a problem. It's that Vegeta and Goku used to transform and stay in it for long periods, then transform again, which would make it weaker.

Goku and Vegeta have mostly been using normal SS forms and jumping to Blue for things like Kale, or the better members of the Pride Troopers.