Talk:Peerless Gleam Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta/@comment-32737230-20170731204605/@comment-32510639-20170801131616

Once again, Black SSJR lead isnt outdated in Japan, I use him and even when I dont have 3rd genertion Extreme lead, is still viable, his passive of ki+3 and atk+100% make him just to good, and the fact that Extreme types, has the best tanks and a lot of healers, having 180k HP with out dupe system is more than enough to beat any event. Have you seen how hard Janemba STR can hit? Also he can be pair with Cooler PHY and will heal you every turn, lets not forget that Zamasu&Black LR are available on Japan, and link just perfectly with Black SSJR, he is also a healer(15% at the start of turn). Once again, Extreme doesnt not suffer that much for the "lack" of HP, like Super does, having the best tanks and healers in the game make that team just too good.

Vegito SSJB was outdated, simply because his passive does not benefit the team, and he rely heavily on sealers to counter and deal more damage, and Super doesnt have enough top tier healers, tanks and sealers to made up for Vegito SSJB flaws.