Talk:Apex of Supreme Saiyan Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku/@comment-36746222-20190130134413/@comment-27088769-20190130145551

For the first 3 turns, Vegeta's damage output will be much lower.

After that, during the 4th turn, they will both use the Ultimate Attack and do roughly the same damage.

So Goku is better because, while being slighty worse in DEF, he has the 80% ATK right off the bath and doesn't have to wait 3 turns.