Talk:Grim Reaper of Death's Rampage Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks/@comment-13712594-20190616182327/@comment-33747036-20190618211204

Well the 11 ki does increase sa multiplier by 100%, causes immense damage, and get whole passive skill.

12 ki deals supreme and doesn’t get def buff from passive skill but yes, can lower def for 3 turn.

If you’re in situation where high def and high damages matter, ki 11 or below would be better than just lowering def.