Talk:The Tier List/@comment-32774261-20171220025056

With LR Ssj3 Goku his 70% minus to defense if a little more than you think

Think of it like this

Def is 100

+100%

200

-70%

Def is now 60

He doesn't keep +50%, he actually loses more defense than you bargain for

(note: this is an example not the actual card, the actual card loses more defense but you get the point)