Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-35585214-20190218111718/@comment-28362353-20190218201643

Looking back I understand if it seems like I'm being biased towards Jiren. I apologize if I made it seem that way, thats my bad. But please know that I'm not being biased. DBS Broly is actually one of my absolute favorite characters in the series, and I find Jiren to be relatively bland. However, the reason Im siding with Jiren is because when we look at the statements and evidence about Broly and Jiren; Broly at Full Power might be Beerus level (although this statement was made by Goku, who hasnt seen Beerus' full strength, so this statement might not be accurate), but Jiren is confirmed to be stronger than the GoDs (from promo material, Whis, and other characters), and got even stronger when fighting MUI.

And they did surpass godhood in Manga. Jiren is stated to be stronger than the GoDs in both the anime and the manga and the promo material. Thats how they built him up as the antaganist of the arc. MUI is also stated to surpass the GoDs, as its a state in which none of the GoDs have reached.

In the anime, it isnt them barely surpassing the GoDs. Jiren (before he awakens his hidden power when fighting MUI) was stated to be above the GoDs. When Goku reaches MUI, all the gods stand up in respect for him, and hes stated to have reached a state that surpasses even the GoDs (Beerus even admits that Goku has surpassed him). Goku then forces Jiren to awaken his hidden power when fighting him. So Jiren, who has already been confirmed to be stronger than the GoDs, gets even stronger because fighting MUI made him get even stronger by forcing him to break his limits and acheive a new level of power.

As for them surpassing Whis, dont worry. I'm not gonna go that far. Theres no way they are angel level. I think its pretty clear that Whis and the Angels are still on a completely different level.