Talk:Catastrophic Rage Frieza (Final Form)/@comment-35332922-20180831220103/@comment-35332922-20180905051125

“Flawed passive” that’s even worse statement. His passive is perfect as it is. In fact, his passive is better than goku’s. Goku needs time to build up that atk buff. Even if frieza always have to be on first slot for that extra 100%, his 80% def will do him justice on every turn he shows up.

“Viable” on a team (extreme) that you could use way better options than him already. His linking with frieza on that team won’t say much, teq frieza himself will end up floating on optimal extreme team. (lr boujack + tur boujack, lr rose zamasu + str rose, lr cell + teq cell, lr majita + str rose etc on main rotation.) Not to mention the double rose lead would benefit the team more as a ki supporter, despite the rainbow type restriction.

As for extreme str, yes he is. However that team is considered one of the worst type lead of all at this point. (Extreme teq and int bypassed str on the list) You will not see much of a use other than sbr. In short, that team is uncommon to run.

So yes, the lack of categories hurts him a lot. Being good doesn’t undersells or underrate him at all. Great units are the likes of 120% leads, category leads even some lr’s etc... Or you gonna tell me this frieza on the same level as them?