Talk:Reckless Strength Super Saiyan Gotenks/@comment-30015140-20170625180745

The more I think about it, the more I think this is a legit replacement for Rose on a SSJ4 Vegeta team.

He only lowers DEF by a normal amount as apposed to Rose's large amount. And he has a Supreme multiplier instead of Immense. But on the upside, he gets a 140% higher boost from double Vegeta lead than Rose, +15% ATK per orb bonus, and has a 1 Ki advantage over Rose, as well as better Ki links with a Super AGL team. On top of that you can increase his Super Attack by using the TEQ and INT Goten (and awaken them). Making him more budget friendly as well.

Probably won't hit as hard as Rose, but he gets the job done. If I get what I want from the SSJ4 banner but haven't pulled Rose yet, I'll stop and just use this guy instead.