Talk:Global Harmony Through Destruction Beerus & Whis/@comment-35614842-20180524215047/@comment-32594940-20180814215923

The best LRs in the game have ki support. Anyone with a calculator could tell you that getting off a 12-17ki super with an LR deals wet-noodle damage. Colossal is a 425% multiplier (Supreme is 430%) while Mega Colossal is 570%. Unless you get that 18ki super you might as well not bother. Especially if the LR has true multiplier bonus (all LRs have a bonus on 18ki which is mostly raise attack / greatly raise attack). If the LR raises his attack on 18ki then all of that combined means AT LEAST 50% if not even 100% more damage just going from 17 to 18ki. It is completely insane how big the difference is. Which is why a card like LR Goten and Trunks is currently top 5 in terms of average damage (check out Mobileman's calcualtions on the subreddit). Even though that card only gets 120% on a 130% team. Either a card has to have great ki links (LR Goku has 5ki for example) or self-sufficiency.