Talk:Tier List: Full Power/@comment-33272261-20180701204215/@comment-33272261-20180702004739

''Just because 1 character gets weaker because Tien isn't there doesn't make Tien optimal. You still have 5 other characters. There are much better options than Tien. Sure SSJ3 Goku loses damage, but you could make up for that damage with another hard hitter like Gohan or SSJKK.''

Have you done the calculations? SSBE Vegeta + FP SSJ4 Goku does more damage than JP SSJKK (JP version is better for this team) + LR SSJ3 Goku. This team becomes noticably worse even with LR SSJ3 Goku if you don't have TEQ Tien.

Just to let you know, this is the damage for each of those 3 rotations without calculating floater damage:

LR SSJ3 Goku + TEQ Tien: 4,192,135

LR SSJ3 Goku + JP SSJKK: 2,528,574

SSBE Vegeta + FP SSJ4 Goku: 3,702,508