Talk:Super Saiyan 3/@comment-31651511-20171201195612/@comment-31651511-20171202090052

@CakeBuu

I just can't give up Str Goku for Vegeta, that 33% for the main rotators is just too good, the defense and Stun are good, but remeber that the Bardock has a def of 70k, so you'll have no problem tanking most of the hits, plus you'd run him as a rotator so the defense will work for the first turn, the fourth turn, and the seventh turn, three times total, it's going to save you almost never. Plus the damage output is very much decreased, both units will do 300k by themselves, but the kid goku increases the other two units by 33% which is 1.2-1.5 mil damage added. By replacing the unit you're taking away over 1 mil damage from every turn you use him instead of the kid goku. The only reason I would say it's not a complete waste of a spot would be that 50% stun rate (I know it's saved me many times) but It's not as useful because the Bardocks will be sealing 70% of the time, so even if one fails the other will probably seal.

TL:DR; if you wanna use him, use him, he's not horrible, but the kid goku is better.

@Enderverse

I was expecting the answer to be Broly, but I was not expecting this: Broly might replace one of the main rotation, damage wise this would be a no brainer, but Broly does not have OiaF so it makes him start off with only 8 ki (he shares 2 ki with Bardock) so there's an interesting idea: do we have Bardock with his amazing def in the first slot but have him absorbs tons of ki that Broly needs, or do we have Broly in the first slot in an effort to keep the hp low so that Bardock's passive is in play more often? I never even gave Broly a second look but he surprised me. (btw he was doing 2 mil damage with 4 ki) if Bardock's passive is active and you have kid Goku up he will do 3.7 mil damage.

so if you have no problem with the occasional ki shortage, Broly would replace Phy Godtenks and Phy Godtenks would replace the Int unit to give you a complete SSJ3 team. I will now update my list.