Talk:Miracle-Calling Clash Super Saiyan Gohan (Teen) & Super Saiyan Goten (Kid)/@comment-39193571-20190513131522/@comment-28362353-20190513142743

I'd say they are #4. Caulifla and Kale, the SSJ4s, then Gohan & Goten.

Also they dont really struggle with ki as much as people think. Sure at the start maybe, but at the start of battle they start with 8 ki, so getting at least a 12 ki shouldnt be difficult at all. And they keep providing themselves with more and more ki as the battle goes on to the point where they have 13 ki at the start of the turn, allowing easy 18+ ki.