Talk:Limitless Energy Androids 17 & 18/@comment-32427086-20170821161430/@comment-26208209-20170916203501

I just outlined it for you; Goku gets 5000 less ATK from his Passive, but here's the key difference: Goku's boost activates at the start of the turn, while the Androids' activates when they Super Attack. This may not seem like an important note, but it's drastically important.

This is because the Androids 15000 ATK boost applies AFTER their Links apply (The Innocents + Nightmare), while Goku's 10000 ATK boost applies BEFORE his Links apply (Super Saiyan, TFA, Kamehameha). This means that even though it seems counterintuitive, Goku gets a bigger overall boost then the Androids do.

I've already outlined how Goku hits harder than the Androids do as well, so I shouldn't need to cover that. I will concede that for their team in particular, the Androids do have superior Ki links and are more self sufficient, but Goku has his own Linking partner that gives him a 35% ATK boost, changes orbs for him, and also Seals Super Attacks, meaning that he doesn't just contribute to Goku himself, but also provides support for the rest of the team too. The closes the Androids have to this is the Future Android 18, but all she does is change orbs; she doesn't do anything else to help her team like Bardock does.

What the Androids do better than Goku is debuff with their 18+ Ki Super Attack, but in a Meta where you can oneshot events with OP teams through 120% and 150% Leaders, debuffing looses a lot of its value just because the fast-pace style of gameplay we have isn't condusive to a long, drawn out battle in which debuffing is necessary.